Showing posts with label bank fees. Show all posts
Showing posts with label bank fees. Show all posts

Saturday, December 20, 2008

Consumers Skeptical About New Credit Card Regulations

After years of complaints against the credit card companies for unfair and deceptive practices, the federal government approved sweeping new restrictions on credit card companies on Dec. 19. Consumer responses to the measure, however, show that many remain skeptical about the long-term benefits of the changes and strongly disapprove of the 18-month delay in implementation.

Many comments echoed the sentiments of one poster: "When was the last time Barnes & Noble called you up and said they wanted more money for the book they sold you last month? Have you EVER paid in full for a computer or a cd player or a shirt and later received a letter telling you the price was actually 500 or 1,000 percent more than what you had agreed to pay and you had better fork over the bucks? Credit card companies are not our friends; they should not be taking taxpayer hand-outs; they should not be permitted to abuse the citizens of this country. Further, I am SHOCKED that the new rules will not take effect for eighteen months. There is literally NO COST involved in effecting them NOW."

Another wrote: "These rules and regulations need to be implemented NOW, not almost two years from now. What a joke as the ripoff continues. How come the Wall Street bailouts always take place immediately, why do new taxes always take place immediately, but when it comes to given [sic] Main Street some help it always takes years from the time they pass the new rules."

Under the new regulations, banks, credit unions and savings associations are prohibited from raising interest rates on existing balances unless a payment was received more than 30 days late; charging a late fee if a borrower was given less than 21 days to pay; and applying payments in a way that would result in debts with higher interest rates getting repaid last. It also protects consumers against predatory credit cards that reduce available credit to subprime borrowers through fee harvesting.

"I believe the eighteen month grace period was a compromise," one commenter wrote. "This timing could make the regulations toothless. The potential is the banks will cull all accounts, reduce or eliminate available credit for millions, raise interest rates to 29.99% or higher for most people, raise late and overdraft fees to $50 or more, and use their current “contract” to extract as many dollars as possible from cardholders. When the new regulations go in effect they will have us where they want us."

The issue of consumer protection from credit card industry practices will continue to remain a priority in the Senate, according to Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.). In a recent Washington Post article, he is quoted as saying, "To restore our economic stability, we must stop credit card companies from ripping off their customers and driving them into deeper and deeper debt…While I expect the Federal Reserve's rules to be a significant step forward in addressing this issue, I believe we need a strong law in place to protect consumers from unfair credit card practices including 'anytime any reason' rate increases, universal default, excessive and unreasonable fees, and marketing targeted to young consumers."

The $970 billion industry stands to lose about $10-12 billion in annual revenue as a result of these changes. The banks have provided dire warnings about the measures, citing a probable decrease in the amount of available credit that would be extended to consumers and increased difficulty in qualifying for new credit.

But most agree with one poster's sentiments that the changes are long overdue: "Too little too late. Where was Congress when these scummy vultures were robbing the American public for the past 10-20 years? And why do they have 18 months to continue robbing us? Maybe to have more time to find loopholes and new ways to screw the public? Look, it's no secret any more that a large part of most banks revenues and profits come from usurous [sic] fees and bogus penalties. They have to find a way to continue to rob the public along these lines. And Congress has to give them time to find those ways so the campaign contributions continue to roll in."

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

Credit Card Business "Rife With Scams"

Dear Credit Mama,

First, the credit card companies started changing the payment due dates on me. I used to get the bills about three weeks in advance of the due date. Then suddenly, it was two weeks. Now sometimes it seems like less than that.

I'm smart enough to always look at the due date right when the bill comes in and mark it on my bill-pay calendar. But last month they hit me with a late payment charge… when I KNOW I sent the check with plenty of time for it to arrive at the processing company. I'm lucky that this wasn't a card with a 0% "provisional" rate since that would have been bumped to 32% with this one wrongly-processed payment. I feel like their game now is to nickel-and-dime any extra fees they can squeeze out of the average consumer! Is it just me??

-- Joe "Fed UP" in N.C.


Dear Joe,

If you think that the credit card companies aren't necessarily on the side of consumers, you're right. The tactics that have been used increasingly over the past several years have capitalized on the tendencies of consumers not to look at their bills too closely, not to question extra fees, and to pay their bills as close to the due date as possible.

Thought I'd share an interesting comment that was posted on a diary on the dailykos.com blog. The author, KeepingItBlueKrstna, gives an insider's perspective on what it's like to work at a credit card company and offers some nuggets of advice:

I worked for a major credit card company, which has since been bought and then bought again, but it was one of the major players.

When I worked there, it was clear that the processing company we used was late posting payments that had arrived on time. They did it all the time.

The Customer Service Reps brought it to the attention of management and it was escalated all the way to the CEO. So did they fix the problem? No. They made a video (I kid you not) of how efficient the payment processing company was and how their systems worked and held a meeting to show it to us. They told us, sure you get a lot of calls about this, but it's because there are only so many possible due dates, and you'll get a wave of calls about late fees after certain due dates. They said "It's the customer's fault" (or the post office's fault) and don't waive too many late fees.

This was a large scale fraud like the one described above where statements are mailed late. And it wasn't just the late fee revenue they were after. They used people's "late" payment history as an excuse to raise their interest rate on the card to penalty levels, even if that was the only late payment. In some cases, they used that one "late" payment as an excuse to change someone to a card with an annual fee instead of none.

The credit card business is rife with scams like these, masquerading as a normal way of doing business.

I strongly advise paying your credit card bill online within the terms posted there. If it says your payment will be posted in 3 days, make it 4 days before the due date. This is, in my opinion, the only safe way to avoid late fees. If you are mailing your payment, no matter how careful you are, you could get screwed.

If you get an unfair late fee, you should not only call to ask for the fee to be reversed, but also at least ask to have that late payment wiped off your payment history. (We were able to do that - it was called a re-age, but don't use that term - someone may think it's fishy that you know it.)

We were told repeatedly only to waive fees for the very best customers and if we waived or re-aged too many accounts, we would get written up. But I did it all the time and never got written up. Especially for nice people.

Thursday, June 26, 2008

Credit Card Advice From An Insider

Wanted to share this interesting post I found at DailyKos.com, courtesy of Lava20.


Who am I? My name is Nicole. I worked for the two largest credit card companies in the world. I worked in various departments, but the most important department I worked for was customer service. This advice is just one friend to another. It is based on my own personal experience with what does and doesn't work.

1. Protest every fee. Overdraft fees. Late fees. Call and ask for the fee to be waived. If you were late. Call. If they tell you no. Ask again. If they tell you no. Ask for a supervisor. Most fees can be waived. The times the bank will not waive a fee is if you are 60 days or more behind. Or if you are always over your credit limit. I promise you. If you are willing to spend the time. That fee will be waived. This works about 85% of the time. I'll be honest here. The only reason that they may not waive the fee is if you are over 30 days late in the last 6 months or over 60 days in the last 12 months. So catch up if you can. Then make that call. You might be part of that 15%.

2. Report your card as lost or stolen. WHAT? Yes. This goes for debit cards also. Once you give out your credit card number, you have no control over who has access to your information. How often? I do this twice a year. If you shop online a great deal, do it more often. I know no one who reads this surfs porn, but if one does do this, you might want to cancel your cards more often. It doesn’t effect your credit report any, if at all. As long as you’re not doing it every week on every card, you’re fine. This is also helpful to prevent id theft.

[Note from Your Credit Mama: If you struggle to pay your minimums or have a hard time keeping your account below the limit, DO NOT DO THIS. If you are late on your payment or over your limit or have an internal "credit score" too low, or bad credit elsewhere, when you call to do this, they will close your account since it was "stolen" but may NOT issue you a new card. Also, many card issuers now routinely issue replacement cards after a certain period of time.]

3. If the bank makes an error, it’s never in your favor. So don’t do any sort of direct authorization to your checking account. For example, you might give your checking account number and routing number so that the minimum payment will be charged every month. Not a good idea. Errors can happen. I have seen many times where the bank has charged the members account for the total credit card balance instead of the minimum balance. This causes the members checking accounts to become overdrawn. The bank may be required to reimburse you for their own credit card fees. But it is completely up to the credit card company if they pay your banks fees (overdraft fees, fees to the store you wrote the check to etc.) Don't risk it. Your best bet here: Use your personal banking account and sign up with your bank to pay bills online.

4. Do not sign up for anything the credit card company wants to auto bill you for. Save yourself the time and headache. Insurance. Fraud protection. This is a billion dollar industry. And normally you will get no benefit from it. In fact, you will most likely spend more time trying to cancel it than any benefit you will receive from it. I have yet to meet the person who saved time or money with a fraud prevention unit that they couldn't do on their own. If you want to, go for it. Good luck. You're going to need it.

5. The only thing that will save you money is time. You must call. Every single time. Program the customer service number to your credit card company into your phone. right now. You don’t have to have your credit card number to call. Have them look your account up by your Social Security Number or name. Call every month to ask for lower interest rates. To have fees waived. To check your balance. To lower your credit limit. For every little thing.

I want to give an example here. Two different accounts. One group of members have high credit limits, pay off their bill in full every month. The other group pays as much as they can every month and has interest fees. Who saves the most? The first. Why? Because they call. They will have us read off every damn purchase. They will have us explain in detail over and over again how the interest is calculated. They will stay on the phone for 30 minutes to get the $50 yearly membership fee waived. And you know what? It works. They get a free service, basically. And bravo. The credit card company expects this. They also count on you, the person reading this right now, to be the person who doesn't do this.

One other thing I would like to bring up with this diary. Sometimes things happen. For example, I’ve seen entire zip codes where card members statements arrive late. Thousands may not receive their statement in enough time to mail the payment. This is strange because it appears that most of these card members all live in the same zip code, or they may all hold Union cards (the highest interest rate and the most revolvers – people who carry balances.) This makes the card member late in sending in a payment. And wouldn’t you know it. Millions of late fees. Most call to have the fees reversed. That’s fine with the credit card company. Because they only really need 10% to not bother.

Did you just say 10%? Yes. That’s all they need really. It doesn’t cost them anything if you never call. In fact, they can save here too. What would a smart bank do?: on the days the late mailed statement arrives, make sure that is the day that most of your customer service representatives are off. That way people will have to wait longer to get through to a live agent. Many don’t want to spend their Saturdays waiting for a customer service rep to answer. So they hang up. BINGO that 10% just went to 12% now. Millions. So again. Read #1.

One neat trick credit card companies use is to shorten the amount of time you have to send in a payment. This varies by bank. Normally you want 25 days. I've seen as short as 20. Call. Ask them for a longer length of time to send you bill in. Even if you don't need it. Why have the bank earn interest on the money if you can?

One final word of advice. Try not to sign up for auto anything. Again, it is so very difficult to get things auto-billed to stop. The company might be great, but unless you are getting a huge discount, I wouldn’t take the risk. If you do insist on auto-billing make sure you do #2! And if you do have things auto billed...make sure it is to a debit or credit card. That way you can easily report it lost/stolen when your friendly everyday auto insurance company decides to raise your premiums and change from monthly to biannual.

Okay. I saved the best for last. Guess what will work more than all the other things listed her combined? BE NICE!!! W T F?!?! Yes, calling with a bitchy attitudes actually inspires a customer service representative to do the least they can for you. Now, I may be taking the 100th call for the day about the statement arriving late, and all 99 of them have been royal jerks...then I get lucky number 100...who has read this diary and might start off the conversation like this, "Thank you so much for taking my call, I really hate to call with this, but do you think you can help me out with this late fee..." Throw in the customer service representative's name, no matter how horrid, tell them you love that name...

Friday, April 11, 2008

You May "Discover" New Fees in Your Credit Card Bills

Discover is introducing another way to enforce fiscal responsibility – or, as others may see it, another way to collect additional fees from its customers.

Beginning May 1, Discover will penalize its card holders for exceeding their credit limit twice by imposing the "penalty interest rate" (which, not surprisingly, is being raised from 29% to 31%). This action is in addition to the $39 over-the-limit fee Discover already charges.

Discover is not the only card issuer that is instituting rate increases for exceeding credit lines – Chase and Bank of America are including similar clauses in their member agreements.

According to calculations by The Red Tape Chronicles, affected customers will pay heavily for going over their limit:

A consumer with a $10,000 balance and a 15 percent interest rate who pays the minimum payment each month would pay $2,800 in a year and still owe $8,598 on that balance.

A consumer with a $10,000 balance and a 31 percent interest rate who pays the minimum payment each month would pay $4,047 in a year and still owe $8,891.54 on that balance.

If you are a regular user of credit cards, you should know that credit card issuers generally allow you to exceed your credit limit by 10 percent or more without warning. Credit card companies say they do this to prevent embarrassment or inconvenience in the check-out line. But with these stiff new penalties in place, you will pay for years for the privilege of using more credit than you have.

To maximize your credit score, you should not be charging more than 10 percent of your credit limit anyway, because of the negative impact of a debt utilization ratio. Know your credit limit. Stay below 50 percent of your limit (10 percent if possible). And if your credit card company offers e-mail warnings to let you know that you are approaching your credit limit, sign up today.

Friday, March 7, 2008

Bank Fees Go Up As Interest Rates Go Down

In a recent study conducted by the Government Accountability Office, an interesting trend was discovered. Over the past six years, as interest rates set by the Federal Reserve decreased, the amount of fees charged by banks increased. The report suggests that because banks don't make as much money on interest rate 'spreads' they try to generate revenue by raising fees.

These fees include overdraft fees, increases in credit card interest rates with no apparent explanation, ATM fees, and fees associated with changes to account status.

By law, fee schedules are supposed to be "clearly and conspicuously posted" at every bank. Those that don't are in violation of the 1991 Truth in Savings Act and Federal Reserve Regulation DD. Yet in 22% of the visits that GAO surveyors made to banks across the country, they were unable to find the fee schedules. One-third of banks had no information at all on overdraft fees and policies. More than half had no fee information on their Web sites.

One would imagine that being in violation of a federal law should yield some fairly stiff penalties. But not surprisingly, the consequences suffered by banks has been minimal. In fact, there have been just two times when regulators took formal enforcement actions. And consumers have no recourse except to file a complaint with regulators - which are generally ignored.

Meanwhile, bank fees are up 11% since 2000. The GAO study reported that last year banks grabbed $36 million out of depositors' accounts in fees, accounting for 27% of banks "non-interest income." Lack of fee information hinders consumers who try to comparison shop between banks.

While some attribute the fees to poor banking by consumers, the truth is that banks collect far more than just overdraft fees. And policies regarding when banks post deposits vs. when they deduct charges has impacted thousands of banking customers.

"The due date on my Bank of America credit card was on a Sunday. I paid the balance in full on the preceeding Friday in the 4:00 hour at BOA. BOA charged me a $40 late fee ... for paying two days early. Apparently, in the world of banking reality, anything paid after 4:00 counts on the next business day, which in my case was Monday. If I hadn't have been paying attention, taken the time from my schedule to go to the bank and complain, BOA would have stolen $40 from me. And the really sad part was that the bank stood by their practice. I told the bank manager that if BOA wanted the bill paid by 4:00 Friday, then put BY 4:00 FRIDAY on the bill. Then, he had the gall to ask me if I wanted to open an account with them. All I could do was walk off." (Texas consumer)

"What concerns me about banks the most, is their practice of re-organizing transaction amounts from greatest to least (AKA posting highest to lowest). This practice maximizes the instances of overdraft fees. How is it legal for banks to post transactions outside of the order they are authorized? A ledger showing one instance deserving a $35 overdraft fee results in a bank statement boasting $300 in overdraft fees made possible by this method of organzing posts. I am very committed to bringing federal attention to this unethical banking practice." (Vanessa, South Carolina)


Then there is the issue of "holds." Using your debit card can screw you up even if you do keep a detailed register of your account. One example: gas stations can place a hold on funds when you use your card at the pump. Some hold $1 just to make sure its a valid account, some hold $50 or more and release the hold when they process the actual amount you spent. These holds may cause your bank account to go into the red, even if there is money in the account.

Other fees include changes imposed on long-standing accounts without disclosure to the consumer:

"Years prior, I had set up two IRA bank CD accounts with MBNA whereby there were no fees, just like a non-IRA CD account. However, after the merge with Bank of America, suddenly an annual $30 maintenance fee is applied to each account. I called BofA to complain and found that I am now stuck with these fees. I cannot transfer these IRAs to another bank (without penalty) until the CDs mature." (KW in Las Vegas)

"I signed up for a free checking account at my local bank a number of years ago. After I refinanced my home and took out $50K in equity, I deposited this into my free checking account, I then began to spend this equity on home improvements to my house. Without my knowledge the bank changed my account type to one that provided free checking for accounts with balances in excess of $20K. As soon as my account balance went below the $20K amount, they started taking $20.00 a month as the fee for this account. Shame on me that I didn't catch it
until the end of the year, which was 10 months and $200.00 later. I went down to the bank and had the account switched back. The bank played stupid, wouldn't refund the money and wouldn't even pretend to investigate who had changed the account." (Bob, Massachusetts)

"Just last week my bank sent me a notice advising me that my interest rate on my bank credit card has risen from 20% to 25% with no justification what so ever. My credit is outstanding, my accounts are on point and I have never been late on a payment or switched any of my previous accounts." (Anonymous)

To all the people who just say 'don't overdraft your account and you won't get fees' - it's not that simple. Most banks have a policy of posting withdrawals before posting deposits - meaning if you deposit a check in the morning and write a check in the afternoon - at midnight when the bank posts the transactions, they will post the withdrawal first, even though the money should have been there.

Banks are for profit entities, and their primary existence is to maximize profits for their share holders. Credit unions are not-for-profits whose primary mission is to offer the lowest loan rates and fess and the highest savings rates to its member owners. If you are frustrated or overwhelmed by the fees charged by national banks, you may want to investigate switching to a local bank or credit union.